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moriz · Apr 26, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

frenzy is still the way to go in RA and AB. you just got to be smarter about it.

Winterclaw · Apr 26, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Flurry still increases your warriors auto attacking DPS. It also doesn't effect attack skills. It's not the best, but certainly not the worst.

Yeah, increased speed and a little bit more damage. It would have been nicer if it lasted longer. If I didn't need a speed boost, I'd almost consider it for a cancel stance for frenzy.

Age · Apr 26, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

Probably the only time I'd willingly use [[Frenzy] these days, in PvE since I don't PvP, would be with an R/W - probably with [[Lightning Reflexes] or [[Dryder's Defenses], depending if I've split into Wilderness Survival, for occasional use when something gets close (yeah, I know, redundancy is bad, but in this case I'd be looking at LR as a blocking Stance since it can't be kept up constantly for decent IAS).

Why use that when you got Tiger's Furry and or Lighting Reflexes as they are both IAS and one is a blocking stance as well?

The best reason as I forgot to mention if you don't have room for For Great Justice is Frenzy as it will help build up adrenaline.I only use it on castor mobs say like Kournan oppressed with suffering or priests.

Arkantos · Apr 26, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Why use that when you got Tiger's Furry and or Lighting Reflexes as they are both IAS and one is a blocking stance as well?

Tiger's Fury is 10e, 25% IAS and you need high beast mastery to keep it up for a good duration. It's crap.

Age · Apr 26, 2008, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Tiger's Fury is 10e, 25% IAS and you need high beast mastery to keep it up for a good duration. It's crap.

That is what Iway Warriors used it though go tell that to your Mathteacher.They liked Iway.

Mr Pink57 · Apr 26, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Frenzy is much better due to the war bars that it is on. A lot if not all of a knockdown (bulls or shock) which usually after that war gets that knockdown he /she puts himself right into frenzy for some nice auto dps or to put out a quick spike (mainly axe, see swords more as pressure).

pink

Arkantos · Apr 26, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Age

That is what Iway Warriors used it though go tell that to your Mathteacher.They liked Iway.

Yes, IWAY ran it. It's a shame we aren't talking about IWAY, though. IWAY also ran OoA at one point, but that doesn't mean shit.

It's a crappy IAS. Saying IWAY ran it doesn't justify it being good.

C2K · Apr 26, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

As for the bows thing... never seen bows. Furious spears, however, are used occasionally.

Bows were used in oldschool IWAY before Nightfall.

RotteN · Apr 26, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Yes, IWAY ran it. It's a shame we aren't talking about IWAY, though. IWAY also ran OoA at one point, but that doesn't mean shit.

It's a crappy IAS. Saying IWAY ran it doesn't justify it being good.

back when IWAY used [[Tiger's Fury] it was 33% IAS instead of just 25%, and it stacked with the IAS from IWAY, which resulted in a whole different level of taking a beating.

MasterSasori · Apr 27, 2008, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by AOTT

What's the deal with [rush] and [frenzy]. Why do so many of you put those in your bars.

I'm getting tired of people flaming me and saying I'm stupid when they obviously support using skills that *I* find inferior.

Seriously. Explain this logic. If you're just going to post saying "you're a dumbass" or something then don't bother posting because for once I'm asking for a REASON.

Frenzy for IAS w/o adrenaline/speed lost = agressive, powerful warrior
Rush to cancel Frenzy when you see a spike coming/taking lots of damage.

ogre_jd · Apr 27, 2008, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Rush to cancel Frenzy when you see a spike coming/taking lots of damage.

...which is pretty much all the time as a Warrior. Outside of PvP, it's just got too much disadvantage to use on a melee character.

Rangers, and probably Paragons (dunno how monsters treat them in combat since I don't have NF), can use it effectively since they're generally not targetted by monsters when there's melee and caster characters around. No idea if Paragons would find it useful, but Rangers don't seem to have any IAS that can be kept up for long periods of time. EDIT: Any IAS that doesn't require heavy attribute investment in an attribute just for that one skill, rather. [[Tiger's Fury] can be, eventually, kept up virtually permanently, but for most bowmen that'd mean splitting to 4 attributes. Not good.

Assassins and Dervishes likely have better alternatives for IAS that can be kept up most/all of the time. Casting classes tend to have better things to do than wand things to death and are usually under constant attack, so [[Frenzy]'d be useless and almost instant death.

Tyla · Apr 27, 2008, 12:43 PM // 12:43

When he said "Lots of damage", he didn't mean any damage.
He ment nasty damage that goes beyond 200.

Alex the Great · Apr 27, 2008, 01:00 PM // 13:00

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Originally Posted by AOTT

I wanted to bring up [Berserker Stance] and [Tiger Stance]. How about those two? Would those work for PvP, or rather why are they inferior to Frenzy?

because they can't be kept up permenantly. Tigers is short and often ends early, and berserkers can't be used to spike, because it ends as soon as you use evis!

Age · Apr 27, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

...which is pretty much all the time as a Warrior. Outside of PvP, it's just got too much disadvantage to use on a melee character.

Rangers, and probably Paragons (dunno how monsters treat them in combat since I don't have NF), can use it effectively since they're generally not targetted by monsters when there's melee and caster characters around. No idea if Paragons would find it useful, but Rangers don't seem to have any IAS that can be kept up for long periods of time. EDIT: Any IAS that doesn't require heavy attribute investment in an attribute just for that one skill, rather. [[Tiger's Fury] can be, eventually, kept up virtually permanently, but for most bowmen that'd mean splitting to 4 attributes. Not good.

Assassins and Dervishes likely have better alternatives for IAS that can be kept up most/all of the time. Casting classes tend to have better things to do than wand things to death and are usually under constant attack, so [[Frenzy]'d be useless and almost instant death.

Rangers really don't need an IAS speed as they are mostly to cause conditions and interrupts but if so there is Lighting Reflexes not quite like Frenzy or Flail but better than nothing.You can use it a defensive stance as well as to what LennyMoon said.

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Originally posted by Arkantos
Yes, IWAY ran it. It's a shame we aren't talking about IWAY, though. IWAY also ran OoA at one point, but that doesn't mean shit.

It's a crappy IAS. Saying IWAY ran it doesn't justify it being good.

Why would we want to talk about Iway they been talked to death and OoA?

Lord Cooper · Apr 28, 2008, 10:37 AM // 10:37

is there any reason not to use tiger stance? no downsides as long as u dont miss lol

A Leprechaun · Apr 28, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by Lord Cooper

is there any reason not to use tiger stance? no downsides as long as u dont miss lol

As has been said over and over in this thread (but obviously in invisible text) it cannot be kept up all the time.

I personally don't care that much and run it in PvE as it is easy and I can't be bothered to snare myself.

~A Leprechaun~

Lord Cooper · Apr 28, 2008, 11:53 AM // 11:53

hehe sorry just skimmed through. i tend to use tigers if i want an adrenaline boost. works for me and once the adrenaline is there u can generally keep it up normally anyway.

Edited for punctuation lol

A Leprechaun · Apr 28, 2008, 12:04 PM // 12:04

Its not all about adrenaline, you deal +50% base attack damage when under IAS.

~A Leprechaun~

Lord Cooper · Apr 28, 2008, 12:20 PM // 12:20

IAS?

graverobber2 · Apr 28, 2008, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by Lord Cooper

IAS?

Increased Attack Speed

same with IMS:
Increased Movement Speed